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roxx · May 14, 2009, 03:03 PM // 15:03

pleas help my to inprove my splinter barage pve build.

[barrage][splinter weapon][hunters shot][savage shot][distracting shot][whirling defense][read the wind][flesh of my flesh]

pleas post wher to spend atributes to.

schould i use a longbow, hornbow or recurvebow???

MagmaRed · May 14, 2009, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Drop [read the wind] as it is removed when you use Barrage. Instead take [favorable winds]. If you are using FW, then I'd recommend a Flatbow for the refire rate and range, otherwise, a Recruve for the accuracy. And although some will suggest different, I'll suggest your attributes be:

10+1+1 Marksmanship
11+1 Expertise
10 Channeling

At 10 Channeling you get 4 attacks from Splinter, and unless you run a consumable you won't reach 5. Hunters is a nice option, but not needed as you can easily spam Barrage even on 1 target. You have no PvE skills, so possibly look into adding one of those.

IAS is missing too, but you don't have many options. [Lightning Reflexes] can work, but not all the time. [rapid fire] can't work as it is a prep and Barrage will remove it. The limits you to [drunken master].

Orange Milk · May 14, 2009, 03:26 PM // 15:26

[I Am The Strongest] is a nice addition seeing as you can not add a prep for increase damage.

Also combine [Dwarven Stability] with [LR]

Dee Cazo · May 14, 2009, 07:15 PM // 19:15

I dont use splinter weapon but i have I am the Strongest and Ebon Vanguard Battle Standard of Honor and do the same effect. Splinter would just add to the beastly amount of damage I do.

Laraja · May 14, 2009, 07:40 PM // 19:40

As much fun as it is running a splinter barrage build, you also have to take into account the area where you're using it.

I've found splinter barrage to be most useful in FOW or in the Asuran areas of EotN because there are plenty of mobs, and then I use it with a vampiric recurve because the fire rate of the recurve is exactly in sync with the recharge rate of Barrage. In addition, the mobs are large enough that the vampiric bow constantly keeps my health bar at max and I can take pressure off the monks for the most part. In fact, in the Asuran areas, which I love vanquishing, a really simple bar seems effective.

And the rest is up to you.

MagmaRed gave the exact rune setup I have, so can't add to that. Oh, and for the rest of the runes, I usually load on the Attunement and Radiant runes.

roxx · May 14, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

[i am the strongest] dosnt work fine i use [barrage] 1time and it was gone

Earth · May 14, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

The arrows from Barrage count as a separate attack.

gw_poster · May 14, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37

i like the asuran areas, too...but I like to use the following when barraging:

[Pain Inverter][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Lightning Reflexes][Splinter Weapon][Barrage][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot]

At r10 Vanguard, there be lots of pretty yellow numbers. The sin support will help form a nice little bunch for just enough time to offload some barrages...even more numbers and a stronger sin support in the charr areas with ebon vanguard title on and a +20%vs charr bowgrip and customized (for the extra 20%)...for added fun when hero/henching, I like to bring Devona and sub [Great Dwarf Weapon] for [Pain Inverter] and keep everyone kd'ed...full radiant and a zealous string and you should have enough energy to keep going after the initial 30e hit from the pve skill chain (I bring cupcakes for the +10e and constant IMS)

WhiteAsIce · May 15, 2009, 03:25 AM // 03:25

This is how I run it:
[build prof=R/Rt box Exp=11+1+1 Marks=10+1 Channel=10 Resto=1][Barrage][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot][Splinter Weapon][Summon Spirits][Favorable Winds][optional][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]

Orange Milk · May 15, 2009, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by roxx
[i am the strongest] dosnt work fine i use [barrage] 1time and it was gone

And the Splinter was gone too wasn't it?

So then what did you do, just stand there looking silly or did you recast Splinter and fire again?

I'm going to guess you recast Splinter, well guess what? You can recast "I Am The Strongest" too!!!! Crazy huh?

Use it properly, it has infinate duration until used which means AS SOON as you enter the zone you cast it so by the time you get to your first mob it has recharged, Barrage a couple times and recast it when you recast splinter and fire away. If IatS is only lasting one shot then you have not maxed your Norn rank so don't blame the skill for your own short comings.

I am the Strongest WILL last for more attacks than Splinter Weapon will IF your Norn rank is maxed, and thats a fact jack.

Vamp Bow is nice for added damage, but at time you may need to swap to a Zealous Bow, if your are mixing in the interupts on your bar you will , fo sho, need the Zealous.

roxx · May 15, 2009, 01:25 PM // 13:25

jes splinter is gone to but i only use that one in the begin when the ar close to eashother
from witch norn rank you can get i am the strongest

Jaigoda · May 15, 2009, 05:53 PM // 17:53

"IATS" is a piece of crap IMO. The only real use is for skills that require shouts since it has an infinite duration. The most it'll ever do is like 160 damage or so, and you can get that with +damage from skills. If it had, say, a 10 second recharge it'd be great, but as of now it's not worth it. Skills like Conjure, Barbs, Mark of Pain, EBSoH, Asuran Scan, Strength of Honor (lol at new buff)... They're all quite superior to "IATS."

Orange Milk · May 15, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda
Skills like Conjure, Barbs, Mark of Pain, EBSoH, Asuran Scan, Strength of Honor (lol at new buff)... They're all quite superior to "IATS."

Of those skills you named, just the PvE only ones can be used while you are a R/Rt running a splinter Barrage build. Reading the entire thread is FTW. Auran scan will only work on your one target enemy while IatS will work on all your arrows hitting all your targets.

EBSoH has already been mentioned.

An before you retort with "I'll just have other party member use those skills/buffs for me" Thats fine, go right ahead and do that, so now you still have room on your bar for other things, like IatS.

Also, despite it's new OP buff, Strength of Honor will not work when you are weilding a bow.

Also if your using a conjure, then Barbs and mark of Pain won't work either.

Targren · May 22, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

And the Splinter was gone too wasn't it?

So then what did you do, just stand there looking silly or did you recast Splinter and fire again?

I'm going to guess you recast Splinter, well guess what? You can recast "I Am The Strongest" too!!!! Crazy huh?

Splinter has a 5sec recharge. IATS has a 20sec recharge.

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Use it properly, it has infinate duration until used which means AS SOON as you enter the zone you cast it so by the time you get to your first mob it has recharged, Barrage a couple times and recast it when you recast splinter and fire away.

Most zones have more than one mob in them, or is he supposed to "stand around looking silly" waiting for IATS to recharge between fights?

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If IatS is only lasting one shot then you have not maxed your Norn rank so don't blame the skill for your own short comings.

Or he's using splinter/barrage correctly and hitting big mobs with it (At max Norn, IATS lasts 8 hits. At max efficiency, Barrage makes 7 attacks.)

Flame less.

Taurean · May 22, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Use ebon battle standard instead of IATS

Orange Milk · May 26, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Targren
Splinter has a 5sec recharge. IATS has a 20sec recharge.

Hence the reason I said "Use it properly" you quoted what I said, but I don't think you understood it, try reading it again, slowly.

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Originally Posted by Targren
Most zones have more than one mob in them, or is he supposed to "stand around looking silly" waiting for IATS to recharge between fights?

No Kidding? More than One Mob? There shouldn't be any "Stand around time" IATS should have plenty of time to recharge and be recast while you and your party are moving to the next mob. Unless you are being teleported by Scotty on the Enterprise to each mob with no time wasted running around the map that is.

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Originally Posted by Targren
Or he's using splinter/barrage correctly and hitting big mobs with it (At max Norn, IATS lasts 8 hits. At max efficiency, Barrage makes 7 attacks.)

Thanks for posting that info and proving my point that he does not have his Norn Rank maxed as I said He didn't. Saved me the time of looking that stuff up and posting it. Good lookin out. Now if you could just figue out and post the percentage of times that 7 targets are hit in one Barrage durring normal game play that would also be helpful.

Flame less, comprehend more.

EBSoH is a buff that a team mate can carry, if they do, then you've a free spot on your bar, may as well take a damage buff like "IatS" if someone else is not taking it, feel free to take which ever you prefer.

Targren · May 27, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Hence the reason I said "Use it properly" you quoted what I said, but I don't think you understood it, try reading it again, slowly.

See comment below re: probability of hitting 7 mobs at once.

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No Kidding? More than One Mob? There shouldn't be any "Stand around time" IATS should have plenty of time to recharge and be recast while you and your party are moving to the next mob. Unless you are being teleported by Scotty on the Enterprise to each mob with no time wasted running around the map that is.

In a lot of places, time is of the essence(timed missions, Vanquishing, rampage bonus) and waiting around for recharges hurts your chances/rewards. That's why triple-necro is so popular. If it takes you 20 seconds to get to the next mob, you're either in old ascalon, one of the noob islands, or doing something wrong.

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Thanks for posting that info and proving my point that he does not have his Norn Rank maxed as I said He didn't.

I didn't prove your point. Your point was that the mentioned shortcoming of IATS is that his norn rank wasn't maxed. You missed MY point. Even WITH max norn rank, IATS only lasts 1 barrage, plus one shot.

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Saved me the time of looking that stuff up and posting it. Good lookin out. Now if you could just figue out and post the percentage of times that 7 targets are hit in one Barrage durring normal game play that would also be helpful.

If it's less than, say, 50%[0], then he's wasting his elite on Barrage and not "playing it properly." If it's rarely above 4, he should take Volley instead and pack a more useful elite.

[0]The actual cutoff percentage is a matter of personal taste. I don't like being crippled/useless for that much of any run, so that's what I use.

Alex K · May 27, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Well I use barrage with splinter and triple shot with nightmare weapon, it works for me

Also, you dont need to use every time rit as a second prof, paragon and warrior are effective too, with paragon you have go for the eyes or anthen of envy, and warrior has SY!, combined with FGJ! you can spam it with ease

Targren · May 27, 2009, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Alex K

Well I use barrage with splinter and triple shot with nightmare weapon, it works for me

Also, you dont need to use every time rit as a second prof, paragon and warrior are effective too, with paragon you have go for the eyes or anthen of envy, and warrior has SY!, combined with FGJ! you can spam it with ease

I've never combined an adrenal skill with a bow. Do bow attacks give you adrenaline?

Being · May 27, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Targren

I've never combined an adrenal skill with a bow. Do bow attacks give you adrenaline?

Yup, so do Staffs and Wands.